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August 13, 2014 / philosophermouseofthehedge

Bob. Fifteen: Boozie. Bangs.

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Shoot. Should be better targeted.

Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission proposal aiming too wide.

Loaded up to permit alcohol sales at gun shows.

 Shark Tank would snort.

If can’t do without a beer for a few hours, don’t need gun.

Gun shows not a social event.

Museum of Fine Arts, Wine and art. Refined.

Beer and guns? Not great date.

Fancy dress-up rather than swagger gear git-up.

1936. Cowboy Hoot Gibson. "Cavalcade of the West"/USPD:

What? Costume party? Why would you ask?(1936.Hoot Gibson”Cavalcade of the West”/USPD:

Not family fun day either.

Try boat or travel trailer show instead.

Watch water skiing squirrels.

Grubby sticky little hands touching everything expected and tolerated. Freebies to bag.

Hook a fish in a tank. Yeah, reel sport.

Guns shows: not entertainment.

Not a movie or video game.

Although some think guns are the ultimate game controller.

Not a toy show for the kiddies. Deadly serious.

Products created to kill.

Products for the back-against-the-wall self-defense.

Those looking for thrills or swagger props should go elsewhere.

Taking aim at beverage distributors looking to expand their markets with little regard for public safety or common sense.

Guns and alcohol do not make a palatable mix. 

Each bang in their own appropriate place and time.



More Bob here.

(Who is Bob, you ask? Simple.)

Saloon scene.1959 Rio Bravo trailer.(US

Saloons, booze, and gunslingers. The OK corral wasn’t always OK…even for the bravo.(1959 Rio Bravo movie trailer.US PD:



  1. Paul / Aug 13 2014 1:05 pm

    BOB! Great to see you again. I couldn’t agree more with your comments. You are indeed a deep thinker – far more so than the liquor board. Having a bar at a gun show is like passing every patron of a bar a gun as they enter. YEE HA! Texas shall forever remain wild.


  2. katecrimmins / Aug 13 2014 2:00 pm

    Bob smart, people dumb!


  3. 3boxesofbs / Aug 13 2014 3:20 pm

    Another Bob Here –

    The TABC proposal is supposedly “pro-rights” but is actually more ‘gun control’ in disguise. Currently many organizations, like the NRA, Ducks Unlimited, private gun clubs like the Dallas Arms Collector Association, have award banquets or fund raisers where firearms/ammunition are sold or raffled off.

    The proposal would effectively eliminate those activities. Making it impossible for the events to be hosted any place that alcohol could be sold. Not just “is sold” but could be. Any place with a TABC license would have to have a signed agreement on file with the TABC to prohibit live ammunition from being sold at the event.

    in addition, this proposal is meant to address the ‘entertainment center’ type ranges that are starting to appear. Venues that have more than just shooting lanes are starting to become popular — this would eliminate them. Several venues have been opened or proposed that would have a bar/alcohol for sale — after shooting of course. The proposal would prevent those establishments from functioning. Of course, the BARS that TABC regulates allow people to drink and drive on a regular basis — but Oh No, can’t shoot for an hour and then have a beer in the same place.

    Bob S.


    • philosophermouseofthehedge / Aug 13 2014 5:27 pm

      Bob:”Proposal aims wide at targets. Devil’s always in the fine print.Especially currently.
      It’s said, if standing in front of a snake, don’t blink, and if it rattles, don’t wait to be bitten.
      (Previous post about those vehicle deaths each year, yet…)
      Expect the state to shoot straight, maybe not this time. TABC public commenting period open. Bye, Bob”


      • 3boxesofbs / Aug 13 2014 5:33 pm

        I have absolutely no idea what your reply means ; other then telling me what I already know about the TABC commenting period.

        Are you for the TABC proposal or against? Does my comment provide an explanation or not.

        Liked by 1 person

        • philosophermouseofthehedge / Aug 13 2014 5:57 pm

          Bob: “Concise writing requires attentive reading.Like the TABC process, participate or lose. Bye”


  4. Jay E. / Aug 13 2014 4:14 pm

    First of all, I love PMotH. I wholeheartedly agree that guns and alcohol don’t mix; nor should they ever. However, i disagree with your blanket statements.

    “Gun shows are not a social event.” By definition, gun shows are social events: groups of people coming together for a common purpose. Just like trade shows or conventions, gun shows offer an opportunity for people to gather and discuss and expand their businesses and personal hobbies.

    “Not family fun day either.” Why not? Besides the target range and actual hunting, gun shows were where I learned about firearms and firearm safety. It’s where I signed up for my hunter’s safety course and joined the NRA (before it was totally derailed).

    “Guns shows: not entertainment.” I guess that depends on your definition of entertainment. I get that live guns are not like guns in a video game. Anyone who thinks they are has no business around them. But it was also at gun shows that I got to experience history in the form of Springfield carbines, Mausers, AK-47s, WWI and WWII equipment, and the like. I understand that not everyone finds enjoyment in that, but for me it was just as good as going to a museum where I could touch the exhibits.

    “Not a toy show for the kiddies. Deadly serious.” Exactly. And what better way to teach kids about deadly serious things than in a safe and controlled environment?

    Maybe I missed the point. I thought this would be about why alcohol shouldn’t be served at gun shows, but it appeared to me to be against guns shows in general with beer thrown in when convenient.

    That said, I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.


    • philosophermouseofthehedge / Aug 13 2014 5:20 pm

      Bob: “Post’s 3rd line and “thrills and swagger” line are the important ones.
      No show justification needed for Bob.(consider previous posts)
      Reminder: things aren’t always what they seem around here in the hedge.
      Best not blink either: TABC proposal not quite what it seems. Sponsor’s ulterior motives.
      (Other commenter boxed up concerns about those. Would harm fundraising for habitats and protected species)
      Alcohol and gun shows? No reason to elaborate at length why that’s not needed. Obvious, as you said.
      Bye, Bob”


      • Jay E. / Aug 13 2014 5:24 pm

        Thanks for the clarification. I was concerned with the sweeping generalities.


  5. robstroud / Aug 13 2014 5:16 pm

    Thanks for the heads up about an insane policy. What a terrible mistake this would be. But then, politicians seem to specialize in those…


    • philosophermouseofthehedge / Aug 13 2014 5:32 pm

      Bob: “Stupid.TABC welcomes public outrage on their website during this open public comment period.Bye”


  6. Robin / Aug 13 2014 6:41 pm

    Guns and alcohol don’t mix any better than vehicles and alcohol. Good post, Bob. 🙂


  7. heretherebespiders / Aug 13 2014 6:59 pm

    Are you kidding me, Bob?


  8. The Hook / Aug 13 2014 10:51 pm

    Nice to see some things never change… everyone here is still brilliant.


    • philosophermouseofthehedge / Aug 13 2014 11:23 pm

      Bob: “It’s the scale of things. Chin salute in recognition of your recovery progress. Bye”


  9. Littlesundog / Aug 13 2014 11:13 pm

    I like you Bob… you ROCK!


  10. Trent Lewin / Aug 14 2014 1:44 am

    I would hug the hell out of Bob, now that I know who that is. It was a long time coming. I’m so glad I’m drinking beer right now. Soooooo glad. You, sir, are a prince. Me, a pauper. Let’s trade places, I want to know what makes you roll, also what makes you stop.


  11. EllaDee / Aug 14 2014 3:41 am

    I applaud, Bob, your instinct for poking a thought provoking topic that’s been known to be a somewhat self entitled and contrary. And I wasn’t disappointed. I’m standing with you though, and one day I hope there will be enough of us to prevail.


  12. PiedType / Aug 14 2014 6:58 pm

    We don’t allow the mix of alcohol and automobiles. Why on earth should we allow the mix of alcohol and guns? Bars at gun shows is just the flip side of guns at bars. Both are nuts.

    Liked by 1 person

    • 3boxesofbs / Aug 14 2014 7:45 pm

      We don’t allow the mix of alcohol and automobiles

      What color is the sky in the world you are living on?

      We not only have the mix of alcohol and cars (beer barns — drive through alcohol sales), bars you drive to — we even codified an acceptable level of intoxication — not to exceed 0.08 Blood Alcohol Content.

      Bob S.


      • philosophermouseofthehedge / Aug 14 2014 11:36 pm

        Bob: “Mr Policeman says no open containers in cars. Legal frown on boozie driving and vehicular manslaughter – in most universes. Bye.”


    • philosophermouseofthehedge / Aug 14 2014 11:30 pm

      Bob: “Astute observation. Cowboys checked guns at the door for a reason.Also didn’t wear hats indoors or squat with spurs on. Cowboy plain sense. Bye”

      Liked by 1 person

  13. Ally Bean / Aug 14 2014 9:38 pm

    I am completely confused by this post and the comments after it. I suppose there’s no real need for me to tell you this, but I’m feeling chatty today. That being said, I think that I’ll go have a beer while not driving and not handling firearms. Which to me seem like two sensible ideas, but then I’m not a Texan so what do I know?


  14. jannatwrites / Aug 15 2014 5:02 am

    I’d agree that guns and alcohol are a bad idea!


  15. jmmcdowell / Aug 21 2014 7:12 pm

    Alcohol consumption and guns. What could possibly go wrong? With responsible adults, probably nothing. But the reality is simple—personal responsibility is going extinct. Sigh.


    • philosophermouseofthehedge / Aug 21 2014 8:06 pm

      If the idea is to round them all up in one place…Oh, people would start yelling “conspiracy.” (So now new analysis of Neanderthal sites from Spain to Russia indicate that Neanderthals died out about 200,000 years ago? Are they sure? Thought I saw…oh, that’s probably just silly…)
      Thanks for digging up a comment



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